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		<title>By: Tschäff Reisberg</title>
		<link>http://www.creditwritedowns.com/2009/11/on-debt-monetization.html#comment-57740</link>
		<dc:creator>Tschäff Reisberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 06:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vangel, if you had read this whole article and understood it you wouldn&#039;t be saying this.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vangel, if you had read this whole article and understood it you wouldn&#8217;t be saying this.</p>
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		<title>By: Vangel</title>
		<link>http://www.creditwritedowns.com/2009/11/on-debt-monetization.html#comment-57671</link>
		<dc:creator>Vangel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 17:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Japan does not fit because it ran trade surpluses and had huge amounts of domestic savings.  The US has neither and must run hat in hand to foreigners to finance its deficit.  

The deflation argument simply does not hold water and monetization will mean the destruction of the purchasing power of the USD.  As the Fed prints money to purchase debts foreign holders of treasuries will refuse to roll them over and will look to a way to hedge their reserves.  No matter how it is done, the long term play is to dump fiat money and move to the real stuff.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Japan does not fit because it ran trade surpluses and had huge amounts of domestic savings.  The US has neither and must run hat in hand to foreigners to finance its deficit.  </p>
<p>The deflation argument simply does not hold water and monetization will mean the destruction of the purchasing power of the USD.  As the Fed prints money to purchase debts foreign holders of treasuries will refuse to roll them over and will look to a way to hedge their reserves.  No matter how it is done, the long term play is to dump fiat money and move to the real stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: jzw</title>
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		<dc:creator>jzw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Unlimited power is apt to corrupt the minds of those who possess it&quot;

If its such are great idea why don&#039;t you print some money give every member of congress 1BN to spend as they choose fit.

If you are lucky you might get employment as a gardener or maid for someone in congress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Unlimited power is apt to corrupt the minds of those who possess it&#8221;</p>
<p>If its such are great idea why don&#8217;t you print some money give every member of congress 1BN to spend as they choose fit.</p>
<p>If you are lucky you might get employment as a gardener or maid for someone in congress.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 11:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Translation: the loanable funds model that everyone is using to describe why America will go bust or slip into a double dip is bogus. It gets basic real world accounting wrong.&quot;

Spot on. The loanable funds theory ignores the reality of credit creation by credit intermediaries. Money created as interest-bearing debt/credit is instantaneously the subject of a matching deposit somewhere in the system as an accounting identity.

The ‘loanable fund’ theory is consistent with the belief of 99.999% of the population that banks take in deposits and lend them out again. If that were the case then there could not BE any new money other than (interest-free) cash created ex nihilo by Central Banks or (possibly) Treasuries.

The belief is also consistent (and equally misconceived) with the ’savings glut’ canard. US etc credit = money created as debt and used for consumption came first – Chinese deposits/savings and purchases of T Bills followed – and was a consequence, not a cause.

Dirk Bezemer and Steve Keen, among others, are getting to grips with the disconnections between economic assumptions based on debt/equity finance capital as distinct from the real world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Translation: the loanable funds model that everyone is using to describe why America will go bust or slip into a double dip is bogus. It gets basic real world accounting wrong.&#8221;</p>
<p>Spot on. The loanable funds theory ignores the reality of credit creation by credit intermediaries. Money created as interest-bearing debt/credit is instantaneously the subject of a matching deposit somewhere in the system as an accounting identity.</p>
<p>The ‘loanable fund’ theory is consistent with the belief of 99.999% of the population that banks take in deposits and lend them out again. If that were the case then there could not BE any new money other than (interest-free) cash created ex nihilo by Central Banks or (possibly) Treasuries.</p>
<p>The belief is also consistent (and equally misconceived) with the ’savings glut’ canard. US etc credit = money created as debt and used for consumption came first – Chinese deposits/savings and purchases of T Bills followed – and was a consequence, not a cause.</p>
<p>Dirk Bezemer and Steve Keen, among others, are getting to grips with the disconnections between economic assumptions based on debt/equity finance capital as distinct from the real world.</p>
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		<title>By: Brick</title>
		<link>http://www.creditwritedowns.com/2009/11/on-debt-monetization.html#comment-57665</link>
		<dc:creator>Brick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 10:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes there is no difference monetary base wise between printing and issuing debt except as one commenter pointed out you can have imported inflation due to currency fluctuation. The significant difference between Japan and the US was the savings rate which remained high whilst last month there was a shock decline in the savings rate in the US. The other difference was that Japan printed money at a time when there was no global recession.
Putting that aside and accepting your argument that these are not issues I think you are right about the supply and demand relationship and the actual changes occurring within the financial statements. I think you might be right about the the non-government being logically be more likely to spend as well. However assuming that spending will flow towards the economy is risky and it might well flow towards asset appreciation and risk being inflationary, especially if central bank actions outside the US are not in line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes there is no difference monetary base wise between printing and issuing debt except as one commenter pointed out you can have imported inflation due to currency fluctuation. The significant difference between Japan and the US was the savings rate which remained high whilst last month there was a shock decline in the savings rate in the US. The other difference was that Japan printed money at a time when there was no global recession.<br />
Putting that aside and accepting your argument that these are not issues I think you are right about the supply and demand relationship and the actual changes occurring within the financial statements. I think you might be right about the the non-government being logically be more likely to spend as well. However assuming that spending will flow towards the economy is risky and it might well flow towards asset appreciation and risk being inflationary, especially if central bank actions outside the US are not in line.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Fullwiler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Fullwiler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 02:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Japan for the last 10 years?  US during WWII?  Wasn&#039;t at all the point of the article, but do you want more examples?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Japan for the last 10 years?  US during WWII?  Wasn&#8217;t at all the point of the article, but do you want more examples?</p>
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		<title>By: Vangel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vangel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 01:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do smart people make such dumb mistakes?  Which county has ever been able to keep interest rates at zero while it was printing money to pay for deficit spending and keep the purchasing power of its currency stable?  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do smart people make such dumb mistakes?  Which county has ever been able to keep interest rates at zero while it was printing money to pay for deficit spending and keep the purchasing power of its currency stable?</p>
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		<title>By: dansecrest</title>
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		<dc:creator>dansecrest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 22:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been following this line of argument for a couple of months now and haven&#039;t yet seen anyone make a good counterargument.  These MMT guys may be onto something fundamentally wrong with conventional economic wisdom.  Thanks to Edward Harrison for spreading the word.  I wonder when others will notice...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been following this line of argument for a couple of months now and haven&#8217;t yet seen anyone make a good counterargument.  These MMT guys may be onto something fundamentally wrong with conventional economic wisdom.  Thanks to Edward Harrison for spreading the word.  I wonder when others will notice&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Fullwiler</title>
		<link>http://www.creditwritedowns.com/2009/11/on-debt-monetization.html#comment-57658</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Fullwiler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Ed!  

Very well explained.  I would just add that if the target rate is set equal to the rate paid on reserve balances (as now), then the Fed can still raise/lower the target rate as desired whether bonds are sold or not.

Best,
Scott</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Ed!  </p>
<p>Very well explained.  I would just add that if the target rate is set equal to the rate paid on reserve balances (as now), then the Fed can still raise/lower the target rate as desired whether bonds are sold or not.</p>
<p>Best,<br />
Scott</p>
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