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	<title>Comments on: A note on government statistics and unemployment</title>
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		<title>By: Grant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 20:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a month later, and look at the statistic now!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a month later, and look at the statistic now!</p>
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		<title>By: Edward Harrison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edward Harrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terry, I have taken a look at that and I found that the year-on-year change in the unemployment rate generally peaks around the end of recessions.  Meaning the unemployment rate continues to rise after recession but its rise happens more slowly.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;For example, the rise peaked in Dec 2001 a month after the recession ended.  In 1991, it peaked at 1.6% in Mar, May and Jun.  The recession ended in March. In 1982, it peaked in July while the recession ended in November.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I could site many other examples.  But, the overall gist of the data is that even unemployment, which is a lagging indicator, stops rising as quickly -- signaling an end to recession.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If I saw the now 1.7% change in unemployment falling to 1.4% over the next few months, it would signal to me that things might actually be getting better.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Thoughts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terry, I have taken a look at that and I found that the year-on-year change in the unemployment rate generally peaks around the end of recessions.  Meaning the unemployment rate continues to rise after recession but its rise happens more slowly.</p>
<p>For example, the rise peaked in Dec 2001 a month after the recession ended.  In 1991, it peaked at 1.6% in Mar, May and Jun.  The recession ended in March. In 1982, it peaked in July while the recession ended in November.</p>
<p>I could site many other examples.  But, the overall gist of the data is that even unemployment, which is a lagging indicator, stops rising as quickly &#8212; signaling an end to recession.</p>
<p>If I saw the now 1.7% change in unemployment falling to 1.4% over the next few months, it would signal to me that things might actually be getting better.</p>
<p>Thoughts?</p>
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		<title>By: Terry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 16:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great methodological approach!  It certainly does eliminate the garbage that goes with seasonality.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Also, I appreciate your analysis of where unemployment is headed by comparing with earlier recessions.  It&#039;s a good way to forecast for the near- to mid-term, if structural aspects of the economy (eg--huge decline in manufacturing) don&#039;t alter the basis for such a comparison.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Now for the hard part: Employment/unemployment is generally considered a lagging or (at best) a coincident indicator of the economy.  Have you tried any successful methods to extrapolate your outlook for employment for the future health of the economy, especially a turnaround?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;OK, it&#039;s Sunday, you don&#039;t need to answer that, but I&#039;d be interested in yours or others attempts to use real labor data to look at the broader economy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great methodological approach!  It certainly does eliminate the garbage that goes with seasonality.  </p>
<p>Also, I appreciate your analysis of where unemployment is headed by comparing with earlier recessions.  It&#8217;s a good way to forecast for the near- to mid-term, if structural aspects of the economy (eg&#8211;huge decline in manufacturing) don&#8217;t alter the basis for such a comparison.</p>
<p>Now for the hard part: Employment/unemployment is generally considered a lagging or (at best) a coincident indicator of the economy.  Have you tried any successful methods to extrapolate your outlook for employment for the future health of the economy, especially a turnaround?</p>
<p>OK, it&#8217;s Sunday, you don&#8217;t need to answer that, but I&#8217;d be interested in yours or others attempts to use real labor data to look at the broader economy.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 23:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Take these remarks within the context of I believe the govt employment statistics seriously under-state unemployment.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;m curious at to why no one makes the connection between rampant immigration (both legal and illegal) and accelerating job losses. No other country has such a liberal policy of &#039;let them in at all costs.&#039;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Legal immigration = 1 million/yr +several hundred thousand temp visas (h1b, L1, etc.).&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If we simply halt all immigration for 1 year we can wipe out what are self inflicted job losses. I&#039;m all for immigration in the good times, but it seems we are over-loading a sinking life boat. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And please, don&#039;t mention &#039;the skills shortage&#039; myth, billionaires like Gates propagandize.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Take these remarks within the context of I believe the govt employment statistics seriously under-state unemployment.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m curious at to why no one makes the connection between rampant immigration (both legal and illegal) and accelerating job losses. No other country has such a liberal policy of &#8216;let them in at all costs.&#8217;</p>
<p>Legal immigration = 1 million/yr +several hundred thousand temp visas (h1b, L1, etc.).</p>
<p>If we simply halt all immigration for 1 year we can wipe out what are self inflicted job losses. I&#8217;m all for immigration in the good times, but it seems we are over-loading a sinking life boat. </p>
<p>And please, don&#8217;t mention &#8216;the skills shortage&#8217; myth, billionaires like Gates propagandize.</p>
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