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	<title>Comments on: Marc Faber: I advise every American to hold his gold outside of the United States</title>
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		<title>By: pebird</title>
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		<dc:creator>pebird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 May 2010 17:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Given that the gold bugs assert that paper gold is not backed by actual gold - who exactly is Faber advising should keep their gold out of the US - those that can afford safe deposit boxes in where (Cayman Islands, UK, Monaco?).  

Why the US would need to seize gold is beyond me - is there some settlement in gold done in international back rooms of which we should aware?  Is the implication we are going back on a full/partial gold standard?

Prior to FDR seizing gold, there was a fair amount of speculation he would do so - he actually had to deny it (with Clinton-like linguistics - that&#039;s a backhanded compliment).  Keynes has some great comments about the US administration&#039;s handling of gold pricing after seizure (from Hoover&#039;s memoirs):

J. Maynard Keynes, who had earlier pronounced Roosevelt &quot;magnificently right,&quot; came out with a stinging criticism.
Keynes, upon whom Fisher and Warren leaned heavily for support, described the &quot;gyrations of the dollar&quot; under the Government&#039;s manipulation as &quot;more like a gold standard on the booze&quot; than an ideally managed currency.

And, horror of horrors for Warren, he characterized as &quot;foolish&quot; the idea &quot;that there is a mathematical relation between the price of gold and the price of other things.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given that the gold bugs assert that paper gold is not backed by actual gold &#8211; who exactly is Faber advising should keep their gold out of the US &#8211; those that can afford safe deposit boxes in where (Cayman Islands, UK, Monaco?).  </p>
<p>Why the US would need to seize gold is beyond me &#8211; is there some settlement in gold done in international back rooms of which we should aware?  Is the implication we are going back on a full/partial gold standard?</p>
<p>Prior to FDR seizing gold, there was a fair amount of speculation he would do so &#8211; he actually had to deny it (with Clinton-like linguistics &#8211; that&#8217;s a backhanded compliment).  Keynes has some great comments about the US administration&#8217;s handling of gold pricing after seizure (from Hoover&#8217;s memoirs):</p>
<p>J. Maynard Keynes, who had earlier pronounced Roosevelt &#8220;magnificently right,&#8221; came out with a stinging criticism.<br />
Keynes, upon whom Fisher and Warren leaned heavily for support, described the &#8220;gyrations of the dollar&#8221; under the Government&#8217;s manipulation as &#8220;more like a gold standard on the booze&#8221; than an ideally managed currency.</p>
<p>And, horror of horrors for Warren, he characterized as &#8220;foolish&#8221; the idea &#8220;that there is a mathematical relation between the price of gold and the price of other things.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Todd "buying gold" Casey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd "buying gold" Casey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 17:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My feeling is that, even just on the basis of industrial and retail demand in addition to the steady but low investor interest, the price of gold will trend up over the mid and long terms. Gold&#039;s price volatility, being not just a little based on market psychology, offers windows of opportunity for here and there grabbing deals on physical gold in the form of gold  coins and bullion.
If confiscation were to start I expect there might be a pretty good opportunity for profit taking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My feeling is that, even just on the basis of industrial and retail demand in addition to the steady but low investor interest, the price of gold will trend up over the mid and long terms. Gold&#8217;s price volatility, being not just a little based on market psychology, offers windows of opportunity for here and there grabbing deals on physical gold in the form of gold  coins and bullion.<br />
If confiscation were to start I expect there might be a pretty good opportunity for profit taking.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin L</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 15:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gold was seized as part of an effort to eliminate tangible value systems, making the central bank&#039;s arbitrary decisions the entire basis of the new value structure

fictional value under the control of the federal reserve means that a select group of powerful people can arbitrarily modify the market

it&#039;s easy to buy low and sell high when you decide when it will be low and when it will be high

it&#039;s a system of organized robbery where the rest of us randomly lose money when the market is artificially devalued, and then the robbers invest, restore value, sell, and have taken personal spending power that can be used to seize our assets

the pretense that they&#039;re stabilizing the economy by setting it up for random, artificial changes is laughable

nothing was more stable than value based on gold, that was the problem</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gold was seized as part of an effort to eliminate tangible value systems, making the central bank&#8217;s arbitrary decisions the entire basis of the new value structure</p>
<p>fictional value under the control of the federal reserve means that a select group of powerful people can arbitrarily modify the market</p>
<p>it&#8217;s easy to buy low and sell high when you decide when it will be low and when it will be high</p>
<p>it&#8217;s a system of organized robbery where the rest of us randomly lose money when the market is artificially devalued, and then the robbers invest, restore value, sell, and have taken personal spending power that can be used to seize our assets</p>
<p>the pretense that they&#8217;re stabilizing the economy by setting it up for random, artificial changes is laughable</p>
<p>nothing was more stable than value based on gold, that was the problem</p>
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		<title>By: Edward Harrison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edward Harrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 00:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ryan, you may end up being right about deflation.  It&#039;s not a done deal yet that we are going to get massive inflation.  I have come down on the side of both asset and consumer price deflation for quite a while now.  But, the arguments for holding gold and worrying about inflation are still valid and I do think that gold is a good hedge against that eventuality.  Faber makes a very good argument for why inflation may be the endgame here and I wouldn&#039;t dismiss him out of hand.

However, so far, the deflation scenario is the one that seems to be taking hold - lower commodity prices, lower asset prices, and eventually lower consumer prices.  As debt levels are high, this is the scenario to fear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ryan, you may end up being right about deflation.  It&#8217;s not a done deal yet that we are going to get massive inflation.  I have come down on the side of both asset and consumer price deflation for quite a while now.  But, the arguments for holding gold and worrying about inflation are still valid and I do think that gold is a good hedge against that eventuality.  Faber makes a very good argument for why inflation may be the endgame here and I wouldn&#8217;t dismiss him out of hand.</p>
<p>However, so far, the deflation scenario is the one that seems to be taking hold &#8211; lower commodity prices, lower asset prices, and eventually lower consumer prices.  As debt levels are high, this is the scenario to fear.</p>
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		<title>By: ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 21:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll tell you what I get his newsletter and he&#039;s dead wrong, he&#039;s more interesting in being a whore master than telling it like it is.  I advise american&#039;s to SELL ALL THEIR GOLD, forget about holding it.   Gold is going to 100 per ounce.  This is not inflationary, it&#039;s deflationary.  The US will not print, they will borrow as they have been and when the borrowing begins to weigh down on the system they will Nationalize the banking system, then the pension system.  Wake up people, why would the government print dollars, to hurt their credit rating if they can take dollars from you?  Are you that gullible?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll tell you what I get his newsletter and he&#8217;s dead wrong, he&#8217;s more interesting in being a whore master than telling it like it is.  I advise american&#8217;s to SELL ALL THEIR GOLD, forget about holding it.   Gold is going to 100 per ounce.  This is not inflationary, it&#8217;s deflationary.  The US will not print, they will borrow as they have been and when the borrowing begins to weigh down on the system they will Nationalize the banking system, then the pension system.  Wake up people, why would the government print dollars, to hurt their credit rating if they can take dollars from you?  Are you that gullible?</p>
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