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	<title>Comments on: Relative value in financial services</title>
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		<title>By: Edward Harrison</title>
		<link>http://www.creditwritedowns.com/2008/08/relative-value-in-financial-services.html#comment-173</link>
		<dc:creator>Edward Harrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MAB,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I wouldn&#039;t touch financials with a barge pole.  I think Laszlo Brinyi is right: &#039;&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601110&amp;sid=alOnpCf1.cPM&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;avoid financials&lt;/a&gt;.&#039;  So, I agree with you - no financials.  But, paired trades might be a way to reduce risk from going long or short.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This sort of a relative-value hedge trade is the sort of thing hedge funds were invented to o.  But, now it seems they are more bent on taking on risk.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As for WFC, they seem mighty confident -- dividend increase and all (not that I&#039;d buy them outright here).  Let&#039;s see if there is any substance to that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MAB,</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t touch financials with a barge pole.  I think Laszlo Brinyi is right: &#8216;<a HREF="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601110&#038;sid=alOnpCf1.cPM" REL="nofollow" rel="nofollow">avoid financials</a>.&#8217;  So, I agree with you &#8211; no financials.  But, paired trades might be a way to reduce risk from going long or short.</p>
<p>This sort of a relative-value hedge trade is the sort of thing hedge funds were invented to o.  But, now it seems they are more bent on taking on risk.</p>
<p>As for WFC, they seem mighty confident &#8212; dividend increase and all (not that I&#8217;d buy them outright here).  Let&#8217;s see if there is any substance to that.</p>
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		<title>By: MAB</title>
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		<dc:creator>MAB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;On a stand alone basis, I don&#039;t think any financials are good risk adjusted investments here.  That seems to fit well with your credit deflation thesis.   As a paired trade though, identifying the bad and the not as bad could be a profitable stategy.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;That said, financial companies are black boxes.  It&#039;s hard to say what is lurking on or even off a balance sheet.  Even WFC looks vulnerable as they have a huge exposure to California real estate via home equity loans.  Their latest earning &quot;beat&quot; looked like smoke and mirrors to me - extending the term of delinquent to 120 days from 90 days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed,</p>
<p>On a stand alone basis, I don&#8217;t think any financials are good risk adjusted investments here.  That seems to fit well with your credit deflation thesis.   As a paired trade though, identifying the bad and the not as bad could be a profitable stategy.  </p>
<p>That said, financial companies are black boxes.  It&#8217;s hard to say what is lurking on or even off a balance sheet.  Even WFC looks vulnerable as they have a huge exposure to California real estate via home equity loans.  Their latest earning &#8220;beat&#8221; looked like smoke and mirrors to me &#8211; extending the term of delinquent to 120 days from 90 days.</p>
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		<title>By: Edward Harrison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edward Harrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, that is true.  Liquidity is a major concern.  But recognizing that does not argue against the relative value of some financials over others.  How do you disagree with my conclusions?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As for Northern Rock, we are now seeing that Northern Rock&#039;s loan book was not that good to begin with. Although they fell because of liquidity constraints, I would argue that they would be in dire straits today had they not failed in 2007 as the Chancellor&#039;s additional funding has demonstrated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, that is true.  Liquidity is a major concern.  But recognizing that does not argue against the relative value of some financials over others.  How do you disagree with my conclusions?</p>
<p>As for Northern Rock, we are now seeing that Northern Rock&#8217;s loan book was not that good to begin with. Although they fell because of liquidity constraints, I would argue that they would be in dire straits today had they not failed in 2007 as the Chancellor&#8217;s additional funding has demonstrated.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree with your conclusion. A lot of banks - such as Norther Rock - have problems because of over reliance on short term interbank borrowing (which has dried up). Not bad loans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree with your conclusion. A lot of banks &#8211; such as Norther Rock &#8211; have problems because of over reliance on short term interbank borrowing (which has dried up). Not bad loans.</p>
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