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		<title>By: Edward Harrison</title>
		<link>http://www.creditwritedowns.com/2010/11/qe2-is-equivalent-to-issuing-treasury-bills.html#comment-61121</link>
		<dc:creator>Edward Harrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Nov 2010 03:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand what you&#039;re saying about duration, but the Government is working at cross-purposes to itself. On the one hand the Fed wants to shorten duration by targeting longer-dated paper and replacing it with the equivalent of Treasury bills (money/dollar credits). Ostensibly, the objective is to drive down Treasury rates a la Operation Twist.

But on the other hand, the Treasury does not necessarily want to shorten duration. There is still a residual concern in policy circles of rates backing up. Yes, this limits the gains from the Fed action. 100%. It makes QE all the more ineffective. If the Treasury and the Fed were acting in concert, the Treasury would be limiting its schedules of 5 or 10-year auctions and instead shortening duration as it had done under Rubin.  I am not aware that it is doing so.

It doesn&#039;t seem that the Fed and the Treasury are acting in concert.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand what you&#8217;re saying about duration, but the Government is working at cross-purposes to itself. On the one hand the Fed wants to shorten duration by targeting longer-dated paper and replacing it with the equivalent of Treasury bills (money/dollar credits). Ostensibly, the objective is to drive down Treasury rates a la Operation Twist.</p>
<p>But on the other hand, the Treasury does not necessarily want to shorten duration. There is still a residual concern in policy circles of rates backing up. Yes, this limits the gains from the Fed action. 100%. It makes QE all the more ineffective. If the Treasury and the Fed were acting in concert, the Treasury would be limiting its schedules of 5 or 10-year auctions and instead shortening duration as it had done under Rubin.  I am not aware that it is doing so.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t seem that the Fed and the Treasury are acting in concert.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Nov 2010 03:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me elaborate.  The Fed remits its &quot;profits&quot; back to the treasury, so you can think of it as one entity from the POV of the taxpayer.  Any gains or losses by either entity ends up in the taxpayers hands.

Whenever the treasury runs a deficit it creates an asset.  Those bonds become an asset of the banks.  The Fed can create assets as well; zero interest zero duration government liabilities called money.

If the Fed trades money for longer duration bonds it is merely shortening the asset duration of the private sector.  Thus, its removing interest rate risk from the private sector.  When you talk about &quot;locking in low rates&quot; this action acts in total opposite to this goal.  You are locking in short rates rather then long rates.  You are limiting the potential gains to be had from monetizing the debt because the private sector is short, rather then long, duration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me elaborate.  The Fed remits its &#8220;profits&#8221; back to the treasury, so you can think of it as one entity from the POV of the taxpayer.  Any gains or losses by either entity ends up in the taxpayers hands.</p>
<p>Whenever the treasury runs a deficit it creates an asset.  Those bonds become an asset of the banks.  The Fed can create assets as well; zero interest zero duration government liabilities called money.</p>
<p>If the Fed trades money for longer duration bonds it is merely shortening the asset duration of the private sector.  Thus, its removing interest rate risk from the private sector.  When you talk about &#8220;locking in low rates&#8221; this action acts in total opposite to this goal.  You are locking in short rates rather then long rates.  You are limiting the potential gains to be had from monetizing the debt because the private sector is short, rather then long, duration.</p>
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		<title>By: Edward Harrison</title>
		<link>http://www.creditwritedowns.com/2010/11/qe2-is-equivalent-to-issuing-treasury-bills.html#comment-61116</link>
		<dc:creator>Edward Harrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Nov 2010 02:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert Rubin advocated reducing the Treasury&#039;s duration when he was Treasury Secretary in order to reduce interest costs so this is something they can do.  However, with interest rates low, it does seem wise to &#039;lock in&#039; these rates now with longer duration from a risk management perspective. That is certainly what you see with the Mexican century bond.

As far as the Fed&#039;s opportunity cost in holding to duration, if you look at the Fed as a profit-maximizing organization, it is true that they could be foregoing yield. But I don&#039;t see that as their function. 

Basically the Fed can create as many dollar credits as it wishes and buy as many bonds as it wishes, holding them to maturity without having to incur a capital loss.  That is a central facet of fiat money, by the way - and a principal reason those talking about US sovereign default are off base.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert Rubin advocated reducing the Treasury&#8217;s duration when he was Treasury Secretary in order to reduce interest costs so this is something they can do.  However, with interest rates low, it does seem wise to &#8216;lock in&#8217; these rates now with longer duration from a risk management perspective. That is certainly what you see with the Mexican century bond.</p>
<p>As far as the Fed&#8217;s opportunity cost in holding to duration, if you look at the Fed as a profit-maximizing organization, it is true that they could be foregoing yield. But I don&#8217;t see that as their function. </p>
<p>Basically the Fed can create as many dollar credits as it wishes and buy as many bonds as it wishes, holding them to maturity without having to incur a capital loss.  That is a central facet of fiat money, by the way &#8211; and a principal reason those talking about US sovereign default are off base.</p>
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		<title>By: Marshall Auerback</title>
		<link>http://www.creditwritedowns.com/2010/11/qe2-is-equivalent-to-issuing-treasury-bills.html#comment-61117</link>
		<dc:creator>Marshall Auerback</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Nov 2010 02:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s the &quot;opportunity cost&quot;? The Fed neither has, nor doesn&#039;t have dollars stored in a lock box somewhere, so the idea of opportunity cost doesn&#039;t apply. As Ed suggested, there is POLITICAL costs associated with theor actions, but that&#039;s a distinct issue, which Ed has already covered well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s the &#8220;opportunity cost&#8221;? The Fed neither has, nor doesn&#8217;t have dollars stored in a lock box somewhere, so the idea of opportunity cost doesn&#8217;t apply. As Ed suggested, there is POLITICAL costs associated with theor actions, but that&#8217;s a distinct issue, which Ed has already covered well.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.creditwritedowns.com/2010/11/qe2-is-equivalent-to-issuing-treasury-bills.html#comment-61115</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Nov 2010 02:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even if they don&#039;t realize a loss by holding to maturity isn&#039;t the Fed accepting some kind of opportunity cost.

Also, if we view the Fed and the treasury as one entity why can&#039;t the treasury simply issue more low duration bonds rather then high duration ones.  Isn&#039;t the Fed&#039;s QE doing the same thing by shortening duration of outstanding government liabilities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even if they don&#8217;t realize a loss by holding to maturity isn&#8217;t the Fed accepting some kind of opportunity cost.</p>
<p>Also, if we view the Fed and the treasury as one entity why can&#8217;t the treasury simply issue more low duration bonds rather then high duration ones.  Isn&#8217;t the Fed&#8217;s QE doing the same thing by shortening duration of outstanding government liabilities.</p>
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		<title>By: Edward Harrison</title>
		<link>http://www.creditwritedowns.com/2010/11/qe2-is-equivalent-to-issuing-treasury-bills.html#comment-61112</link>
		<dc:creator>Edward Harrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Nov 2010 01:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, the QE transfers duration risk onto the Fed. We should assume that the Fed holds to maturity of course so it really has no duration risk (unless it needs to sell assets to reduce its balance sheet instead of letting maturing assets run off). On the other hand, the banks do get to offload their own duration risk and that is helpful for their bottom line if yields back up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the QE transfers duration risk onto the Fed. We should assume that the Fed holds to maturity of course so it really has no duration risk (unless it needs to sell assets to reduce its balance sheet instead of letting maturing assets run off). On the other hand, the banks do get to offload their own duration risk and that is helpful for their bottom line if yields back up.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Nov 2010 01:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I do a swap where I&#039;m giving away &quot;money&quot; (zero interest liabilities with no duration) and I get treasuries in the 3-7 year duration range back as my asset, aren&#039;t I basically increasing the duration of my portfolio and decreasing the duration of the other persons portfolio?  So now the Fed is taking the duration risk while the banks are offloading it.  If rates keep going down that&#039;s good for the Fed.  But if rates start going up doesn&#039;t the central bank end up the loser in that arrangement?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I do a swap where I&#8217;m giving away &#8220;money&#8221; (zero interest liabilities with no duration) and I get treasuries in the 3-7 year duration range back as my asset, aren&#8217;t I basically increasing the duration of my portfolio and decreasing the duration of the other persons portfolio?  So now the Fed is taking the duration risk while the banks are offloading it.  If rates keep going down that&#8217;s good for the Fed.  But if rates start going up doesn&#8217;t the central bank end up the loser in that arrangement?</p>
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		<title>By: Marshall Auerback</title>
		<link>http://www.creditwritedowns.com/2010/11/qe2-is-equivalent-to-issuing-treasury-bills.html#comment-61052</link>
		<dc:creator>Marshall Auerback</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Nov 2010 17:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim, 
 
It&#039;s not &quot;monetising&quot; the debt.   As long as the Fed has  a mandate to 
maintain a target fed funds rate, the size of its purchases and  sales of 
government debt are not discretionary. Once the Federal  Reserve Board of 
Governors sets a fed funds rate, the Fed’s portfolio of  government securities 
changes only because of the transactions that are required  to support the funds 
rate. The Fed’s lack of control over the quantity of  reserves underscores 
the impossibility of debt monetization. The Fed is unable  to monetize the 
federal debt by purchasing government securities at will because  to do so 
would cause the funds rate to fall to zero. If the Fed purchased  securities 
directly from the Treasury and the Treasury then spent the money,  it’s 
expenditures would be excess reserves in the banking system. The Fed would  be 
forced to sell an equal amount of securities to support the fed funds target  
rate. The Fed would act only as an intermediary. The Fed would be buying  
securities from the Treasury and selling them to the public. No monetization  
would occur. To monetize means to convert to money. Gold used to be monetized 
 when the government issued new gold certificates to purchase gold. In a 
broad  sense, federal debt is money, and deficit spending is the process of 
monetizing  whatever the government purchases. Monetizing does occur when the 
Fed buys  foreign currency. Purchasing foreign currency converts, or 
monetizes, that  currency to dollars. The Fed then offers U.S. Government 
securities for sale to  offer the new dollars just added to the banking system a 
place to earn interest.  This often misunderstood process is referred to as 
sterilization.
 
When we talk about central banking operations being about &quot;price not  
quantity&quot; it simply means that the Fed  
 
can simply  target their desired term structure of rates by offering to buy 
unlimited  amounts of Treasury securities at their desired rate targets, 
and not worry  about the mix between reserves and Treasury securities that  
resulted.  






In a message dated 11/20/2010 3:02:34 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,  
 writes:

Jim  (unregistered) wrote, in response to Edward Harrison:

Right, I get  that. The banks can&#039;t lend out their reserves.  But can they 
buy more  Treasuries with them? Because if they can, is this not monetising 
the State  debt? Its just a conveyor belt from the Fed (printed money) to 
the State (who  spends the money in the real economy) with the banks being the 
middle man that  allows the big wigs to claim they aren&#039;t monetising the 
debt? The crucial  point is - if there was no QE would there be enough buyers 
for Treasuries?  

Link to comment: http://disq.us/siu3f</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim, </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not &#8220;monetising&#8221; the debt.   As long as the Fed has  a mandate to<br />
maintain a target fed funds rate, the size of its purchases and  sales of<br />
government debt are not discretionary. Once the Federal  Reserve Board of<br />
Governors sets a fed funds rate, the Fed’s portfolio of  government securities<br />
changes only because of the transactions that are required  to support the funds<br />
rate. The Fed’s lack of control over the quantity of  reserves underscores<br />
the impossibility of debt monetization. The Fed is unable  to monetize the<br />
federal debt by purchasing government securities at will because  to do so<br />
would cause the funds rate to fall to zero. If the Fed purchased  securities<br />
directly from the Treasury and the Treasury then spent the money,  it’s<br />
expenditures would be excess reserves in the banking system. The Fed would  be<br />
forced to sell an equal amount of securities to support the fed funds target<br />
rate. The Fed would act only as an intermediary. The Fed would be buying<br />
securities from the Treasury and selling them to the public. No monetization<br />
would occur. To monetize means to convert to money. Gold used to be monetized<br />
 when the government issued new gold certificates to purchase gold. In a<br />
broad  sense, federal debt is money, and deficit spending is the process of<br />
monetizing  whatever the government purchases. Monetizing does occur when the<br />
Fed buys  foreign currency. Purchasing foreign currency converts, or<br />
monetizes, that  currency to dollars. The Fed then offers U.S. Government<br />
securities for sale to  offer the new dollars just added to the banking system a<br />
place to earn interest.  This often misunderstood process is referred to as<br />
sterilization.</p>
<p>When we talk about central banking operations being about &#8220;price not<br />
quantity&#8221; it simply means that the Fed  </p>
<p>can simply  target their desired term structure of rates by offering to buy<br />
unlimited  amounts of Treasury securities at their desired rate targets,<br />
and not worry  about the mix between reserves and Treasury securities that<br />
resulted.  </p>
<p>In a message dated 11/20/2010 3:02:34 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,<br />
 writes:</p>
<p>Jim  (unregistered) wrote, in response to Edward Harrison:</p>
<p>Right, I get  that. The banks can&#8217;t lend out their reserves.  But can they<br />
buy more  Treasuries with them? Because if they can, is this not monetising<br />
the State  debt? Its just a conveyor belt from the Fed (printed money) to<br />
the State (who  spends the money in the real economy) with the banks being the<br />
middle man that  allows the big wigs to claim they aren&#8217;t monetising the<br />
debt? The crucial  point is &#8211; if there was no QE would there be enough buyers<br />
for Treasuries?  </p>
<p>Link to comment: <a href="http://disq.us/siu3f" rel="nofollow">http://disq.us/siu3f</a></p>
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		<title>By: Edward Harrison</title>
		<link>http://www.creditwritedowns.com/2010/11/qe2-is-equivalent-to-issuing-treasury-bills.html#comment-61051</link>
		<dc:creator>Edward Harrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Nov 2010 12:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again it has nothing to do with States. States are constrained by balanced budget amendments.  Nothing the Fed does has any effect on the states&#039; ability to deficit spend. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again it has nothing to do with States. States are constrained by balanced budget amendments.  Nothing the Fed does has any effect on the states&#8217; ability to deficit spend. </p>
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		<title>By: Sobers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sobers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Nov 2010 10:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right, I get that. The banks can&#039;t lend out their reserves.  But can they buy more Treasuries with them? Because if they can, is this not monetising the State debt? Its just a conveyor belt from the Fed (printed money) to the State (who spends the money in the real economy) with the banks being the middle man that allows the big wigs to claim they aren&#039;t monetising the debt? The crucial point is - if there was no QE would there be enough buyers for Treasuries? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right, I get that. The banks can&#8217;t lend out their reserves.  But can they buy more Treasuries with them? Because if they can, is this not monetising the State debt? Its just a conveyor belt from the Fed (printed money) to the State (who spends the money in the real economy) with the banks being the middle man that allows the big wigs to claim they aren&#8217;t monetising the debt? The crucial point is &#8211; if there was no QE would there be enough buyers for Treasuries? </p>
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