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> <channel><title>Comments on: Hugh Hendry: China – The Emperor has no clothes</title> <atom:link href="http://www.creditwritedowns.com/2009/07/hugh-hendry-china-the-emperor-has-no-clothes.html/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.creditwritedowns.com/2009/07/hugh-hendry-china-the-emperor-has-no-clothes.html</link> <description>a finance news and opinion site</description> <lastBuildDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 04:20:41 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: Calibrating differences between China and Japan&#8217;s bubble blow-off top &#171; naked capitalism</title><link>http://www.creditwritedowns.com/2009/07/hugh-hendry-china-the-emperor-has-no-clothes.html#comment-10548</link> <dc:creator>Calibrating differences between China and Japan&#8217;s bubble blow-off top &#171; naked capitalism</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 12:29:51 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.creditwritedowns.com/2009/07/hugh-hendry-china-the-emperor-has-no-clothes.html#comment-10548</guid> <description>[...] Hugh Hendry: China – The Emperor has no clothes Jul 2009 [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Hugh Hendry: China – The Emperor has no clothes Jul 2009 [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Is China in a bubble blow-off top like Japan post-Plaza accord? - Credit Writedowns</title><link>http://www.creditwritedowns.com/2009/07/hugh-hendry-china-the-emperor-has-no-clothes.html#comment-10516</link> <dc:creator>Is China in a bubble blow-off top like Japan post-Plaza accord? - Credit Writedowns</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 18:06:42 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.creditwritedowns.com/2009/07/hugh-hendry-china-the-emperor-has-no-clothes.html#comment-10516</guid> <description>[...] repeatedly pointed to enormous levels of malinvestment in China. Here are a few posts of that ilk.Hugh Hendry: China – The Emperor has no clothes Jul 2009China’s empty city: the emperor really has no clothes Nov 2009The Chinese bubble economy [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] repeatedly pointed to enormous levels of malinvestment in China. Here are a few posts of that ilk.Hugh Hendry: China – The Emperor has no clothes Jul 2009China’s empty city: the emperor really has no clothes Nov 2009The Chinese bubble economy [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: On depreciation, malinvestment and GDP as a gross number - Credit Writedowns</title><link>http://www.creditwritedowns.com/2009/07/hugh-hendry-china-the-emperor-has-no-clothes.html#comment-9712</link> <dc:creator>On depreciation, malinvestment and GDP as a gross number - Credit Writedowns</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 22:10:55 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.creditwritedowns.com/2009/07/hugh-hendry-china-the-emperor-has-no-clothes.html#comment-9712</guid> <description>[...] disregarding demand.”And you can see the same insane malinvestment in the videos in “Hugh Hendry: China – The Emperor has no clothes” and “China’s empty city: the emperor really has no clothes.”Right now all of this [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] disregarding demand.”And you can see the same insane malinvestment in the videos in “Hugh Hendry: China – The Emperor has no clothes” and “China’s empty city: the emperor really has no clothes.”Right now all of this [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Construction in China&#8217;s Ghost Towns - Credit Writedowns</title><link>http://www.creditwritedowns.com/2009/07/hugh-hendry-china-the-emperor-has-no-clothes.html#comment-9460</link> <dc:creator>Construction in China&#8217;s Ghost Towns - Credit Writedowns</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:58:42 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.creditwritedowns.com/2009/07/hugh-hendry-china-the-emperor-has-no-clothes.html#comment-9460</guid> <description>[...] development.&quot;Also see other posts with discussion and video clips of similar dynamics:Hugh Hendry: China – The Emperor has no clothesHuge property bubble in ChinaChina’s empty city: the emperor really has no clothesChanos: [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] development.&quot;Also see other posts with discussion and video clips of similar dynamics:Hugh Hendry: China – The Emperor has no clothesHuge property bubble in ChinaChina’s empty city: the emperor really has no clothesChanos: [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: BackAtCha</title><link>http://www.creditwritedowns.com/2009/07/hugh-hendry-china-the-emperor-has-no-clothes.html#comment-7712</link> <dc:creator>BackAtCha</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 01:13:52 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.creditwritedowns.com/2009/07/hugh-hendry-china-the-emperor-has-no-clothes.html#comment-7712</guid> <description>Another snot nose Chinese who can&#039;t handle the truth.  Grow up and stop lashing out at others because you have an inferiority complex.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another snot nose Chinese who can&#39;t handle the truth.  Grow up and stop lashing out at others because you have an inferiority complex.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: BackAtCha</title><link>http://www.creditwritedowns.com/2009/07/hugh-hendry-china-the-emperor-has-no-clothes.html#comment-6595</link> <dc:creator>BackAtCha</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:13:52 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.creditwritedowns.com/2009/07/hugh-hendry-china-the-emperor-has-no-clothes.html#comment-6595</guid> <description>Another snot nose Chinese who can&#039;t handle the truth.  Grow up and stop lashing out at others because you have an inferiority complex.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another snot nose Chinese who can&#39;t handle the truth.  Grow up and stop lashing out at others because you have an inferiority complex.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: adanwerg</title><link>http://www.creditwritedowns.com/2009/07/hugh-hendry-china-the-emperor-has-no-clothes.html#comment-6044</link> <dc:creator>adanwerg</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 17:29:34 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.creditwritedowns.com/2009/07/hugh-hendry-china-the-emperor-has-no-clothes.html#comment-6044</guid> <description>So how much does the PRC pay you drones to surf the net and try to suppress any bad news about the PRC?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So how much does the PRC pay you drones to surf the net and try to suppress any bad news about the PRC?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anon</title><link>http://www.creditwritedowns.com/2009/07/hugh-hendry-china-the-emperor-has-no-clothes.html#comment-5916</link> <dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 16:58:01 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.creditwritedowns.com/2009/07/hugh-hendry-china-the-emperor-has-no-clothes.html#comment-5916</guid> <description>The majority of the buildings are paid with cash - to buy space in a building you often have to pay in full while the building is still a hole in the ground.  Then the developer walks away with most of the cash, leaving the building only partially completed.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But where is the problem?  Investors lost their money but money is flowing into the country and new investors will replace the old ones.  The workers got paid (hopefully) and will go buy stuff with it.  And the developer will spend the money on new Audis and Gucci clothes.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Obviously it&#039;s not the most efficient way to build an economy, but it grows the economy nonetheless.  The keyis that there are not a bunch of &quot;zombie&quot; corporations in China straddled with debt and unable to grow.  Developers just take cash from the new rich, and leave empty buildings.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I believe China&#039;s growth prospects hinge squarely on investor sentiment, which can be a tricky thing to predict.  If investors believe China is the place to be, this cycle will continue just fine and money flows all over the country.  But if China falls out of favor, then there won&#039;t be any more investors to replace the ones that were just swindled, and the developers dump their money in Swiss bank accounts while the economy collapses.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The majority of the buildings are paid with cash &#8211; to buy space in a building you often have to pay in full while the building is still a hole in the ground.  Then the developer walks away with most of the cash, leaving the building only partially completed.</p><p>But where is the problem?  Investors lost their money but money is flowing into the country and new investors will replace the old ones.  The workers got paid (hopefully) and will go buy stuff with it.  And the developer will spend the money on new Audis and Gucci clothes.</p><p>Obviously it&#39;s not the most efficient way to build an economy, but it grows the economy nonetheless.  The keyis that there are not a bunch of &#8220;zombie&#8221; corporations in China straddled with debt and unable to grow.  Developers just take cash from the new rich, and leave empty buildings.</p><p>I believe China&#39;s growth prospects hinge squarely on investor sentiment, which can be a tricky thing to predict.  If investors believe China is the place to be, this cycle will continue just fine and money flows all over the country.  But if China falls out of favor, then there won&#39;t be any more investors to replace the ones that were just swindled, and the developers dump their money in Swiss bank accounts while the economy collapses.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: GrinNBear</title><link>http://www.creditwritedowns.com/2009/07/hugh-hendry-china-the-emperor-has-no-clothes.html#comment-5915</link> <dc:creator>GrinNBear</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 15:47:37 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.creditwritedowns.com/2009/07/hugh-hendry-china-the-emperor-has-no-clothes.html#comment-5915</guid> <description>They are better off with empty building than our Treasury debt.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They are better off with empty building than our Treasury debt.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: jswede</title><link>http://www.creditwritedowns.com/2009/07/hugh-hendry-china-the-emperor-has-no-clothes.html#comment-5914</link> <dc:creator>jswede</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 11:35:01 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.creditwritedowns.com/2009/07/hugh-hendry-china-the-emperor-has-no-clothes.html#comment-5914</guid> <description>&quot;And all of these condos, all the BMWs and Audis you see are bought with cash not credit. &quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; what about the contruction companies?   they built these monsters with cash?  I find it VERY hard to believe.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And all of these condos, all the BMWs and Audis you see are bought with cash not credit. &#8220;</p><p>&gt;&gt;&gt; what about the contruction companies?   they built these monsters with cash?  I find it VERY hard to believe.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: wagthedog1</title><link>http://www.creditwritedowns.com/2009/07/hugh-hendry-china-the-emperor-has-no-clothes.html#comment-5912</link> <dc:creator>wagthedog1</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 07:15:38 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.creditwritedowns.com/2009/07/hugh-hendry-china-the-emperor-has-no-clothes.html#comment-5912</guid> <description>Current TV Vanguard special called &quot;Outsourcing Unemployment&quot; covered this back in May. It is not just recent builds, but a lot of recently vacated factories:&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://current.com/items/90043902_outsourcing-unemployment.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://current.com/items/90043902_outsourcing-u...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;See also Merryn Somerset Webb&#039;s analysis of China:&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/b5ed0ec0-72f4-11de-ad98-00144feabdc0.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/b5ed0ec0-72f4-11de-ad...&lt;/a&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Current TV Vanguard special called &#8220;Outsourcing Unemployment&#8221; covered this back in May. It is not just recent builds, but a lot of recently vacated factories:<br
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href="http://current.com/items/90043902_outsourcing-u.." rel="nofollow">http://current.com/items/90043902_outsourcing-u..</a>.</p><p>See also Merryn Somerset Webb&#39;s analysis of China:<br
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href="http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/b5ed0ec0-72f4-11de-ad98-00144feabdc0.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a
href="http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/b5ed0ec0-72f4-11de-ad.." rel="nofollow">http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/b5ed0ec0-72f4-11de-ad..</a>.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jorma</title><link>http://www.creditwritedowns.com/2009/07/hugh-hendry-china-the-emperor-has-no-clothes.html#comment-5903</link> <dc:creator>Jorma</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 22:05:54 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.creditwritedowns.com/2009/07/hugh-hendry-china-the-emperor-has-no-clothes.html#comment-5903</guid> <description>Your comment doesn&#039;t address what the film shows re: commercial real estate.  What&#039;s the point of building all these complexes if there are no companies moving in?  Even if a lot of cash went into the construction (relative what you&#039;d see in the west for similar projects), whoever poured in the dough is looking for some kind of return - no? Unless of course it&#039;s just government works programs designed purely to keep people working to fend off social unrest. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As far as the condos you speak of, what is the point of buying and holding them if there is no return. They&#039;re not being rented out (obviously), nor will they get any return at sale as the market is flooded with new condo projects. Astounding indeed.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Yes, the Chinese save a lot thanks to Westerners buying the cheap goods they produce. That gravy train broken down on the tracks now.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;(There are plenty of cars and condos in the US bought and sold for cash btw.)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your comment doesn&#39;t address what the film shows re: commercial real estate.  What&#39;s the point of building all these complexes if there are no companies moving in?  Even if a lot of cash went into the construction (relative what you&#39;d see in the west for similar projects), whoever poured in the dough is looking for some kind of return &#8211; no? Unless of course it&#39;s just government works programs designed purely to keep people working to fend off social unrest.</p><p>As far as the condos you speak of, what is the point of buying and holding them if there is no return. They&#39;re not being rented out (obviously), nor will they get any return at sale as the market is flooded with new condo projects. Astounding indeed.</p><p>Yes, the Chinese save a lot thanks to Westerners buying the cheap goods they produce. That gravy train broken down on the tracks now.</p><p>(There are plenty of cars and condos in the US bought and sold for cash btw.)</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: billl2</title><link>http://www.creditwritedowns.com/2009/07/hugh-hendry-china-the-emperor-has-no-clothes.html#comment-5902</link> <dc:creator>billl2</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 08:32:20 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.creditwritedowns.com/2009/07/hugh-hendry-china-the-emperor-has-no-clothes.html#comment-5902</guid> <description>I live in China and what you see is astounding. You drive into condo and luxury condo complexes that are 2-4 years old and they are completely empty and completely sold out. The difference is that the Chinese savings rate is around 22%. And all of these condos, all the BMWs and Audis you see are bought with cash not credit. Additionally, there are no property taxes in China for residential real estate. So carrying costs are even lower. So, it is not uncommon for units to sit for years at little distress to anyone. Except for dumb Americans who are always looking to tear someone down in order to build themselves up</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in China and what you see is astounding. You drive into condo and luxury condo complexes that are 2-4 years old and they are completely empty and completely sold out. The difference is that the Chinese savings rate is around 22%. And all of these condos, all the BMWs and Audis you see are bought with cash not credit. Additionally, there are no property taxes in China for residential real estate. So carrying costs are even lower. So, it is not uncommon for units to sit for years at little distress to anyone. Except for dumb Americans who are always looking to tear someone down in order to build themselves up</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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