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	<title>Comments on: Conoco Phillips&#8217; $34 billion writedown makes me bullish</title>
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		<title>By: mL </title>
		<link>http://www.creditwritedowns.com/2009/01/conoco-phillips-34-billion-writedown-makes-me-bullish.html#comment-2644</link>
		<dc:creator>mL </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 09:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>my ?? 
 
No economy recovery = no inflation  
no inflation = bear in commodity 
 
After the house bubble busted in Japan in 1990, there is still no sign that Japan&#039;s economy gets any better.   Why would you think the U.S., the UK and europe can recover in a few years?   China and India without the rest of the world are difficult to recover and push the commodity market up. 
 
mL 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my ?? </p>
<p>No economy recovery = no inflation<br />
no inflation = bear in commodity </p>
<p>After the house bubble busted in Japan in 1990, there is still no sign that Japan&#039;s economy gets any better.   Why would you think the U.S., the UK and europe can recover in a few years?   China and India without the rest of the world are difficult to recover and push the commodity market up. </p>
<p>mL</p>
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		<title>By: Edward Harrison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edward Harrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 03:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi mL,  I&#039;m with you on oil prices dropping to the mid 20s (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.creditwritedowns.com/2008/12/top-ten-predictions-for-the-2009-global-economy.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.creditwritedowns.com/2008/12/top-ten-p...&lt;/a&gt;so I am not really saying that the oil patch is going to rise overnight per se.  But I am saying that I see $25 as a cyclically low price. 
 
The $10 number is an extreme example of a cyclical low.  I don&#039;t see oil falling to those levels again.  (I didn&#039;t anticipate $35 either, so what the heck).  Interestingly, my bogey for oil, $25, is the midpoint of the old OPEC $22-28 optimal range before oil started to go through the roof. 
 
Oil is very volatile, but I am a believer in the commodity bull market returning after the emerging economies work their way through this crisis.  That includes all industrial commodities and oil as well. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi mL,  I&#039;m with you on oil prices dropping to the mid 20s (<a href="http://www.creditwritedowns.com/2008/12/top-ten-predictions-for-the-2009-global-economy.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.creditwritedowns.com/2008/12/top-ten-p&#8230;</a>so I am not really saying that the oil patch is going to rise overnight per se.  But I am saying that I see $25 as a cyclically low price. </p>
<p>The $10 number is an extreme example of a cyclical low.  I don&#039;t see oil falling to those levels again.  (I didn&#039;t anticipate $35 either, so what the heck).  Interestingly, my bogey for oil, $25, is the midpoint of the old OPEC $22-28 optimal range before oil started to go through the roof. </p>
<p>Oil is very volatile, but I am a believer in the commodity bull market returning after the emerging economies work their way through this crisis.  That includes all industrial commodities and oil as well.</p>
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		<title>By: mL </title>
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		<dc:creator>mL </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 11:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Ed.  
 
What makes you think oil at 30s are extremely low?  Can&#039;t you remember oil was $10 in 1998?   
There are signs that companies rent supertankers to hoard oil.  The spot price is about $36 while the futures at NYMEX  $42.57 March &amp; $47.02 April.  That is if you can store the oil for two/three months you can gain 16.6-30% minus the rents &amp; running cost.    Good return without much risk.  buy oil at the spot market now and store it in somewhere for 2-3 months.    
 
EconomicPic raised why the OPEC not save the oil themselves for two/months and earn the extra 30% more later.    He suggested it is because the OPEC countries are desperated to get short money to solve their immediate problems.   
 
Oil in 1998 in average was $10.  Given 3% of annual inflation, oil can get down to $13.5.  Of course, it is extreme and unrealistic.  I believe mid 20 is the bottom and probably will touch early 20. 
 
mL 
 
  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Ed.  </p>
<p>What makes you think oil at 30s are extremely low?  Can&#039;t you remember oil was $10 in 1998?<br />
There are signs that companies rent supertankers to hoard oil.  The spot price is about $36 while the futures at NYMEX  $42.57 March &amp; $47.02 April.  That is if you can store the oil for two/three months you can gain 16.6-30% minus the rents &amp; running cost.    Good return without much risk.  buy oil at the spot market now and store it in somewhere for 2-3 months.    </p>
<p>EconomicPic raised why the OPEC not save the oil themselves for two/months and earn the extra 30% more later.    He suggested it is because the OPEC countries are desperated to get short money to solve their immediate problems.   </p>
<p>Oil in 1998 in average was $10.  Given 3% of annual inflation, oil can get down to $13.5.  Of course, it is extreme and unrealistic.  I believe mid 20 is the bottom and probably will touch early 20. </p>
<p>mL</p>
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