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		<title>By: Links: 2008-12-16: the deflation edition - Credit Writedowns</title>
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		<dc:creator>Links: 2008-12-16: the deflation edition - Credit Writedowns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 01:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: RM</title>
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		<dc:creator>RM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 22:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of for god&#039;s sake - so much religious faith!!!, the hominid has assimilated memes from the previous generation and does not question them!!!. What is money - the means of exchange. Kill fractional reserve banking, private companies should not have the power to issue money even in the form of credit. Debt free money can be created and issued by government or by persons in this technological age and the problem disappears forever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of for god&#8217;s sake &#8211; so much religious faith!!!, the hominid has assimilated memes from the previous generation and does not question them!!!. What is money &#8211; the means of exchange. Kill fractional reserve banking, private companies should not have the power to issue money even in the form of credit. Debt free money can be created and issued by government or by persons in this technological age and the problem disappears forever.</p>
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		<title>By: HarrisHeidi (Heidi Harris)</title>
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		<dc:creator>HarrisHeidi (Heidi Harris)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 08:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quantitative easing: printing money like mad to ward off deflation http://tinyurl.com/5jjqs6 from: &lt;a rel=&quot;nofollow&quot; href=&quot;http://twitter.com/edwardnh&quot;&gt;@edwardnh&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quantitative easing: printing money like mad to ward off deflation <a  href="http://tinyurl.com/5jjqs6" rel="nofollow" class="external">http://tinyurl.com/5jjqs6</a> from: <a  rel="nofollow" href="http://twitter.com/edwardnh" class="external">@edwardnh</a></p>
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		<title>By: Edward Harrison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edward Harrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 12:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@John Creighton, thanks for your thoughts.  America is definitely a debtor nation these days.  Take a look at my post &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.creditwritedowns.com/2008/10/charts-of-day-us-macro-disequilibria.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Charts of the day: US macro disequilibria&lt;/a&gt; for a few charts on that.  My concern there is certainly the dollar.  While the U.S. dollar is up today, we could see a real problem going forward if our creditors choose not to fund our deficits.  Right now, all is well with the Dollar and with our external funding.  Will it last, though?  That&#039;s the question

Cheers.
Ed</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@John Creighton, thanks for your thoughts.  America is definitely a debtor nation these days.  Take a look at my post <a  href="http://www.creditwritedowns.com/2008/10/charts-of-day-us-macro-disequilibria.html" rel="nofollow">Charts of the day: US macro disequilibria</a> for a few charts on that.  My concern there is certainly the dollar.  While the U.S. dollar is up today, we could see a real problem going forward if our creditors choose not to fund our deficits.  Right now, all is well with the Dollar and with our external funding.  Will it last, though?  That&#8217;s the question</p>
<p>Cheers.<br />
Ed</p>
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		<title>By: John Creighton</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Creighton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 04:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you guys realize that since 1980 the total (government + private + corporate) rose 500%!. American&#039;s are debtors because they buy more goods from the rest of the world then the rest of the world sells to them. The rest of the world lets this happen because they reinvest that money back into American dollar denominated assets. A policy which favors debtors over lenders is a policy that favors America. However, such a policy risks the collapse of the US dollar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you guys realize that since 1980 the total (government + private + corporate) rose 500%!. American&#8217;s are debtors because they buy more goods from the rest of the world then the rest of the world sells to them. The rest of the world lets this happen because they reinvest that money back into American dollar denominated assets. A policy which favors debtors over lenders is a policy that favors America. However, such a policy risks the collapse of the US dollar.</p>
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		<title>By: UrbanDigs</title>
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		<dc:creator>UrbanDigs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 18:21:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The key parts of this article relate to the monetary base and the money multiplier. This is showing us the deflation, and the expansion of fed balance sheet as they try to re-capitalize, bailout, nationalize, rescue,. whatever you want to call their efforts these days.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.urbandigs.com/2008/12/you_want_to_see_what_deflation.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Picturing Deflation: Velocity of Money Slows&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.urbandigs.com/2008/11/bernankes_printing_take_ii.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bernanke&#039;s Printing&lt;/a&gt;

Keep an eye on the charts in the above links showing us the adjusted monetary base and the multiplier!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The key parts of this article relate to the monetary base and the money multiplier. This is showing us the deflation, and the expansion of fed balance sheet as they try to re-capitalize, bailout, nationalize, rescue,. whatever you want to call their efforts these days.</p>
<p><a  href="http://www.urbandigs.com/2008/12/you_want_to_see_what_deflation.html" rel="nofollow" class="external">Picturing Deflation: Velocity of Money Slows</a></p>
<p><a  href="http://www.urbandigs.com/2008/11/bernankes_printing_take_ii.html" rel="nofollow" class="external">Bernanke&#8217;s Printing</a></p>
<p>Keep an eye on the charts in the above links showing us the adjusted monetary base and the multiplier!</p>
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		<title>By: jotto (jotto)</title>
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		<dc:creator>jotto (jotto)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 13:11:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>easy to understand discussion of inflation/deflation and why we haven&#039;t been able to prop up the market yet  - http://tinyurl.com/5jjqs6</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>easy to understand discussion of inflation/deflation and why we haven&#8217;t been able to prop up the market yet  &#8211; <a  href="http://tinyurl.com/5jjqs6" rel="nofollow" class="external">http://tinyurl.com/5jjqs6</a></p>
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		<title>By: Stevie b.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stevie b.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 15:41:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed -  re central banks signalling buying gold. A rocketing gold price would certainly be an incentive for me to get out of money &amp; get spending on stuff I&#039;d been postponing.

 Imagine the attention-grabbing headlines: &quot;Fed sells dollars for gold!&quot; or &quot;Fed loses faith in the greenback!&quot; or &quot; ECB gives Euro the heave-ho!&quot; etc - or perhaps even  
&quot;B of E corrects Crash Gordon&#039;s mistake - buys back gold at 5 times the price he sold it for!&quot; 

People would pretty soon cotton-on to the fact that currencies could be losing value big-time and soon! And let&#039;s face it - this is what needs to happen anyway.Together with Bena&#039;s solution, the whole merry-go-round would then crank up again and it&#039;d be off to the races with eventual rising interest rates etc etc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed &#8211;  re central banks signalling buying gold. A rocketing gold price would certainly be an incentive for me to get out of money &amp; get spending on stuff I&#8217;d been postponing.</p>
<p> Imagine the attention-grabbing headlines: &#8220;Fed sells dollars for gold!&#8221; or &#8220;Fed loses faith in the greenback!&#8221; or &#8221; ECB gives Euro the heave-ho!&#8221; etc &#8211; or perhaps even<br />
&#8220;B of E corrects Crash Gordon&#8217;s mistake &#8211; buys back gold at 5 times the price he sold it for!&#8221; </p>
<p>People would pretty soon cotton-on to the fact that currencies could be losing value big-time and soon! And let&#8217;s face it &#8211; this is what needs to happen anyway.Together with Bena&#8217;s solution, the whole merry-go-round would then crank up again and it&#8217;d be off to the races with eventual rising interest rates etc etc</p>
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		<title>By: Edward Harrison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edward Harrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hbl, I liked the article you referenced and added it to our &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.creditwritedowns.com/news-feed&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;news feed&lt;/a&gt;.  I remain skeptical as do you.  I just think the Fed was late to the party because all Spring and Summer, this whole thing was brewing and they did not do enough.

stevie b.:  the Fed and ECB need to signal more clearly they are inflating and will continue to do so and that will definitely get people to buy.  I am told that Vincent Reinhart has been indicating to the Fed that they need to spell it out in order to manage expectations as part of their program.  Tell me, how does telling people they are buying gold change expectations?  Is that a similar signal that the Fed and ECB are printing money?

Carol, I sympathize with you here because we have been led down a very nasty path.  This is one reason I prefer quantitative easing over lower interest rates.  Lowering the price of money just favors debtors over borrowers and distorts time preferences (buying a flat screen on 48-month financing is easier when interest rates are low) and investment decisions.  And, ultimately, this is what got us in this mess.  But, how the heck do we get out of this without inflating away some of the real value of that debt through printing money?

bena gyerek has an interesting solution, which hearkens back to the original purpose of the TARP (troubled asset relief program) that Paulson touted.  Honestly, I thought that is exactly what Paulson had in mind when Freddie and Fannie were nationalized.  I thought that the government would use them as vehicles to nationalize the mortgage problem by buying up mortgages via Fannie and Freddie.  But, alas, this has not happened.

Any proposal, including bena&#039;s, is going to involve a redistribution of bank and mortgage debtor problems onto the backs of taxpayers as a whole and it&#039;s a shame.  But, we have no alternative.  We should never have gotten here.  It was poor regulatory oversight and easy money that allowed this bubble to reach such ridiculous proportions and now we are all paying for it.  At least monetizing our debt and devaluing the dollar saves us from depression.

Differing opinions are appreciated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hbl, I liked the article you referenced and added it to our <a  href="http://www.creditwritedowns.com/news-feed" rel="nofollow">news feed</a>.  I remain skeptical as do you.  I just think the Fed was late to the party because all Spring and Summer, this whole thing was brewing and they did not do enough.</p>
<p>stevie b.:  the Fed and ECB need to signal more clearly they are inflating and will continue to do so and that will definitely get people to buy.  I am told that Vincent Reinhart has been indicating to the Fed that they need to spell it out in order to manage expectations as part of their program.  Tell me, how does telling people they are buying gold change expectations?  Is that a similar signal that the Fed and ECB are printing money?</p>
<p>Carol, I sympathize with you here because we have been led down a very nasty path.  This is one reason I prefer quantitative easing over lower interest rates.  Lowering the price of money just favors debtors over borrowers and distorts time preferences (buying a flat screen on 48-month financing is easier when interest rates are low) and investment decisions.  And, ultimately, this is what got us in this mess.  But, how the heck do we get out of this without inflating away some of the real value of that debt through printing money?</p>
<p>bena gyerek has an interesting solution, which hearkens back to the original purpose of the TARP (troubled asset relief program) that Paulson touted.  Honestly, I thought that is exactly what Paulson had in mind when Freddie and Fannie were nationalized.  I thought that the government would use them as vehicles to nationalize the mortgage problem by buying up mortgages via Fannie and Freddie.  But, alas, this has not happened.</p>
<p>Any proposal, including bena&#8217;s, is going to involve a redistribution of bank and mortgage debtor problems onto the backs of taxpayers as a whole and it&#8217;s a shame.  But, we have no alternative.  We should never have gotten here.  It was poor regulatory oversight and easy money that allowed this bubble to reach such ridiculous proportions and now we are all paying for it.  At least monetizing our debt and devaluing the dollar saves us from depression.</p>
<p>Differing opinions are appreciated.</p>
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		<title>By: bena gyerek</title>
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		<dc:creator>bena gyerek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 12:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>seems like the problem is a distribution one. bernanke&#039;s helicopter is only dropping cash on banks. reliquefying them does not address their underlying capitalisation / solvency problems, so does not really affect deleveraging. cash gets hoarded. 

here&#039;s an alternative suggestion: what if the fed just bought up a 5-10% pro rata share of all outstanding mortgages at par, then with treasury support, cancelled the debts entirely. this would reliquefy banks, but also recapitalise them (as in effect the first 10% loss share on all their mortgages was being bought and written up to par, not just being accepted as collateral against a loan). it would also significantly improve the balance sheets of households, boosting consumption.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>seems like the problem is a distribution one. bernanke&#8217;s helicopter is only dropping cash on banks. reliquefying them does not address their underlying capitalisation / solvency problems, so does not really affect deleveraging. cash gets hoarded. </p>
<p>here&#8217;s an alternative suggestion: what if the fed just bought up a 5-10% pro rata share of all outstanding mortgages at par, then with treasury support, cancelled the debts entirely. this would reliquefy banks, but also recapitalise them (as in effect the first 10% loss share on all their mortgages was being bought and written up to par, not just being accepted as collateral against a loan). it would also significantly improve the balance sheets of households, boosting consumption.</p>
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		<title>By: Carol</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 08:27:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the review of the issues around &quot;quantitative easing.&quot; I wish I felt better about your conclusion: &quot;But, for most of us, this is the problem [inflation] which we would rather have.&quot; As someone who has not borrowed and who has significant savings, the prospect of significant inflation is very worrying. And for those who have borrowed, how do you know your wages will rise to match? I can remember quite a few periods in the past 25 years when I got pay &quot;increases&quot; that were well below the increase in the cost of living. 

Price stability (neither inflation or deflation) is what we need. However, I am coming to the sad conclusion that our monetary system requires inflation, and so encourages these speculative booms and busts. Who on earth could think this is the best way for people to live?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the review of the issues around &#8220;quantitative easing.&#8221; I wish I felt better about your conclusion: &#8220;But, for most of us, this is the problem [inflation] which we would rather have.&#8221; As someone who has not borrowed and who has significant savings, the prospect of significant inflation is very worrying. And for those who have borrowed, how do you know your wages will rise to match? I can remember quite a few periods in the past 25 years when I got pay &#8220;increases&#8221; that were well below the increase in the cost of living. </p>
<p>Price stability (neither inflation or deflation) is what we need. However, I am coming to the sad conclusion that our monetary system requires inflation, and so encourages these speculative booms and busts. Who on earth could think this is the best way for people to live?</p>
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		<title>By: Stevie b.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stevie b.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 07:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed - thanks a lot for this post. I realised when I was in portfolio management that there were massive amounts of mega-holes in my knowledge. This area has definitely been one of them.

I&#039;m also grateful to Hbl for the link to Knzn. I just posted the following there and wondered whether you both think this off-the-wall idea is moronic...?

&quot;Maybe it&#039;s very simple. &quot;Printing&quot; more money just pushing on a string? Want the world to anticipate a bit of inflation and actually start spending a.s.a.p.? Get the Fed and the ECB to tell the world they&#039;re buying gold!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed &#8211; thanks a lot for this post. I realised when I was in portfolio management that there were massive amounts of mega-holes in my knowledge. This area has definitely been one of them.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also grateful to Hbl for the link to Knzn. I just posted the following there and wondered whether you both think this off-the-wall idea is moronic&#8230;?</p>
<p>&#8220;Maybe it&#8217;s very simple. &#8220;Printing&#8221; more money just pushing on a string? Want the world to anticipate a bit of inflation and actually start spending a.s.a.p.? Get the Fed and the ECB to tell the world they&#8217;re buying gold!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: hbl</title>
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		<dc:creator>hbl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 05:24:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally I&#039;ve long been skeptical that policy makers would have as much power as they think they do to avoid or reverse a debt deflation of this magnitude.
Here&#039;s an interesting response to Jim Hamilton&#039;s recent &quot;fed can cause inflation&quot; post in case you haven&#039;t seen it: http://knzn.blogspot.com/2008/11/deflation-can-happen.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally I&#8217;ve long been skeptical that policy makers would have as much power as they think they do to avoid or reverse a debt deflation of this magnitude.<br />
Here&#8217;s an interesting response to Jim Hamilton&#8217;s recent &#8220;fed can cause inflation&#8221; post in case you haven&#8217;t seen it: <a  href="http://knzn.blogspot.com/2008/11/deflation-can-happen.html" rel="nofollow" class="external">http://knzn.blogspot.com/2008/11/deflation-can-happen.html</a></p>
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