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		<title>By: DavidLazarusUK</title>
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		<dc:creator>DavidLazarusUK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Dec 2010 19:35:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The US economy is in a dire state. I do not trust the unemployment figures. The one to watch is U6 and that is approaching 20%. If you add in the 99&#039;ers then unemployment is looking dreadful.

I have seen elsewhere comments on the rising architectural billings data, a usually  leading indicator, that shows construction might improve late next year. Yet we are in a three year slump and it is only now showing signs of life. I think that this is a sign a false optimism in the commercial sector. What I think is happening is that developers might pay for a design that could be used if things improve. A few million down the drain on a design is a lot less than hundreds of millions, if they build, and find no buyers or tenants. 

I think that stagflation will be the norm for more than a few years. The costs of staples are well above official inflation figures and will remain so for many years. This will cause problems within the US as living standards are destroyed by the lack of wages growth. A few billionaires taking home more money does not equate to earnings growth. In fact governments could actively encourage stagflation as it allows living standards to drop to the point where they can compete on a world market with inflation eroding the value of debts from the bubbles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The US economy is in a dire state. I do not trust the unemployment figures. The one to watch is U6 and that is approaching 20%. If you add in the 99&#8242;ers then unemployment is looking dreadful.</p>
<p>I have seen elsewhere comments on the rising architectural billings data, a usually  leading indicator, that shows construction might improve late next year. Yet we are in a three year slump and it is only now showing signs of life. I think that this is a sign a false optimism in the commercial sector. What I think is happening is that developers might pay for a design that could be used if things improve. A few million down the drain on a design is a lot less than hundreds of millions, if they build, and find no buyers or tenants. </p>
<p>I think that stagflation will be the norm for more than a few years. The costs of staples are well above official inflation figures and will remain so for many years. This will cause problems within the US as living standards are destroyed by the lack of wages growth. A few billionaires taking home more money does not equate to earnings growth. In fact governments could actively encourage stagflation as it allows living standards to drop to the point where they can compete on a world market with inflation eroding the value of debts from the bubbles.</p>
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		<title>By: Edward Harrison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edward Harrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Dec 2010 18:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was a mistake. Somehow this first post at CW got pushed into the feed but I don&#039;t think we are in a technical recession now (although it feels like one).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was a mistake. Somehow this first post at CW got pushed into the feed but I don&#8217;t think we are in a technical recession now (although it feels like one).</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Hickey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Hickey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Dec 2010 18:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My suggestion for a revised title of this post: The Economy is Definitely in Recession Again, Or The Recovery That Wasn&#039;t

The threat of debt-deflation is increasing, with problems growing economically and political both in  the US and Euroland, and with China possibly rolling over.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://newswires-americas.com/markettalk/?tag=yu-yongding&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;China’s House of Cards&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My suggestion for a revised title of this post: The Economy is Definitely in Recession Again, Or The Recovery That Wasn&#8217;t</p>
<p>The threat of debt-deflation is increasing, with problems growing economically and political both in  the US and Euroland, and with China possibly rolling over.</p>
<p><a href="http://newswires-americas.com/markettalk/?tag=yu-yongding" rel="nofollow">China’s House of Cards</a></p>
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		<title>By: Edward Harrison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edward Harrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karen,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Your comment about job losses in December is right on the money.  I am right now about to look at all the revisions the BLS did to last year&#039;s unemployment data.  I was listening to a UK radio show podcast called &quot;Wake Up to Money&quot; this morning (excellent show).  On the show, they had a guy, Chris Thornburg, who claimed that the BLS just released data showing we have been losing jobs for a number of months as they revised the 2007 employment numbers down.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I intend to also soon address the issue of Credit Deflation.  My feeling is that we will see stagflation, but only in the short term.  The credit deflation will lead to money supply contraction and deflation in the medium and long term.  That&#039;s why this whole thing is so troubling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karen,</p>
<p>Your comment about job losses in December is right on the money.  I am right now about to look at all the revisions the BLS did to last year&#8217;s unemployment data.  I was listening to a UK radio show podcast called &#8220;Wake Up to Money&#8221; this morning (excellent show).  On the show, they had a guy, Chris Thornburg, who claimed that the BLS just released data showing we have been losing jobs for a number of months as they revised the 2007 employment numbers down.</p>
<p>I intend to also soon address the issue of Credit Deflation.  My feeling is that we will see stagflation, but only in the short term.  The credit deflation will lead to money supply contraction and deflation in the medium and long term.  That&#8217;s why this whole thing is so troubling.</p>
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		<title>By: AnonymousIsAWoman</title>
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		<dc:creator>AnonymousIsAWoman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 00:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent analysis.  Of course, loss of jobs during December should be a real red flag since that was also the all important to the retail sector Christmas season.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If they don&#039;t have growth, expansion, profits, and at least temporary employment then, when will they?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Some economists are also raising red flags about inflation.  There are even questions as to whether we are headed into stagflation, that intractable situation not seen since the 1970s.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Stagflation really stumps the economists. In fact, the combination of both inflation and recession (or stagnation) at the same time is, in theory, impossible under classical models of economic theory.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This economy is in more trouble than the most people realize, and the general public knows it&#039;s in trouble.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent analysis.  Of course, loss of jobs during December should be a real red flag since that was also the all important to the retail sector Christmas season.</p>
<p>If they don&#8217;t have growth, expansion, profits, and at least temporary employment then, when will they?</p>
<p>Some economists are also raising red flags about inflation.  There are even questions as to whether we are headed into stagflation, that intractable situation not seen since the 1970s.  </p>
<p>Stagflation really stumps the economists. In fact, the combination of both inflation and recession (or stagnation) at the same time is, in theory, impossible under classical models of economic theory.</p>
<p>This economy is in more trouble than the most people realize, and the general public knows it&#8217;s in trouble.</p>
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